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But science IS science. And all scientific evidence points to human influence in global climate change. Anyone making an argument against that is making a POLITICAL, not a SCIENTIFIC claim.

Even Exxon, the last hold out for politics to override science, has quit funding it's tin foil hat brigade that argued -- politically, never scientifically -- that global climate change was, first not happening, then later on that human activity didn't affect it when they admitted it WAS happening.

To repeat again what a coal industry exeuctive once told me, you can't take a billion tons of carbon out of the ground every few weeks, put it in the air, and not expect it to have some effect.

Since when does science mean "silence anyone who questions the prevailing wisdom." Thou Shalt Not Blaspheme Against Gaia! Thou Shalt Not Utter Heresy Against ManBearPig.

I guess Junior would have to support what happened to Galileo, another dissenter who was silenced in the name of "consensus."

it's still global icing here in north arkansas and more on the way by the weekend.

i heard it was global icing in southern californistan also...hmmmmm...

SNOW IN MALIBU?!?

I also suppose Junior and the rest of the bong-hit Bolsheviks will have to denounce Jimmy Carter, now, since his support for Palestinians was apparently massively funded by the Saudis.

Come to think of it, the Cult of Gaia wants to massively increase government power over the individual in the name of combating ManBearPig, and those climate scientists who support Gaiaist claims of ManBearPig receive massive grants and subsidies from the government, as well as environmentalist outfits, who reap millions in donations by claiming ManBearPig is an imminent threat.

But, I'm sure that doesn't taint them in the least.

People and real scientists who are aware of the truth of global warming should be all over the weather channel like flies. That station has gotten so unbalanced on this issue-it is just another liberal media mouthpiece. People should really start forcefully telling these people to just shut up.

I go into the Safeway once in a while and I've seen with my own eyes - rain in the produce section and there's even thunder!!! The fish are all dead and something terrible has happened to the chickens. I know mankind is behind this, I just can't prove it because I'm not a scientist. By the way, I had to use the heater in my SUV for the trip over there, was I wrong?

This hysteria over Global Warming is slowly becoming dangerous and losing its giggle factor.

When nuts like Heidi, Al Bore and Dave Roberts start determining what "science" is, were all in trouble.

If they would agree to at least examine the evidence in an unbiased forum, it would be different. All theories should be examined, from the CO2 man is doing it theory to those involving the Sun and cosmic radiation.

The Eco-Nazis are getting out of control.

the laws of thermodynamics are lost on some people...

p.s. it's supposed to be global snowing here this weekend.

IT'S WINTER - GO FIGURE!

Mr, Reagan you are incorrect, sir. There is NO real scientific evidence of "global warming" caused by human activity, my dear sir. ALL the real, untainted scientific evidence points to NO significant warming other than natural fluctuations. I don't care what Exxon said, or what the coal executive said, the earth's atmosphere DOES NOT WORK LIKE A GREENHOUSE. You should please take a look at these: http://www.globalwarming.org http://www.friendsofscience.org and http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse. There is no such thing as "the greenhouse effect" and no such thing as anthropogenic warming and no evidence that the earth is warming.

Chris,
You just put yourself at the top of Junior's list for burning at the stake.

GLOW-BALL WORMING IS A RELIGION AND A SCAM. There is such a thingas climate change to those with saner minds.

When the moonbats burn ME at the stake, they will be happy to hear me say "Is it getting warmer, or is it just me?"

While the cold spreading across the country in the past week has been noticeable, never mind that the past couple months have been extraordinarily warm.

Combine that with the following for consideration:
(a) The Arctic polar ice cap is at the lowest coverage it has ever been for this time of year, period.
(b) Increased snow amounts in the mountains of New Mexico and Colorado are an outcome predicted by global warming, as warmer air holds more moisture and the mountains are just too cold to make rain, yet.
(c) The cold in California is a result of air pushing from East to West, rather than the prevailing winds from West to East - a result of El Nino and not some larger climactic trend.
(d) The cold in the rest of the country, while noticeably colder than the previous couple months, is actually only about average - and soon enough nearly the entire country will once again be a couple degrees above average... so citing this cold snap as evidence disputing global warming is completely backwards.
(e) Global warming takes time - it's not reflected in one year's temperatures; it's reflected in trends over time, ALL of which show the earth warming.

Each of those possibilities HAS been examined General, including the anthropogenic cause; it has been debunked by science. No evidence exists to support the belief that the earth is warming at all, much less that humans are causing it. Enviroistas have produced a lot of flawed data to back up thier false claims; the infamous false "hockey stick" graph (now debunked)is a good example of this. Another point that the socialists don't want you to know is the fact that CO2 is the RESULT of, not the CAUSE of, warming temperatures. The Earth has been a LOT hotter in the past-there used to be vineyards on Greenland. I know from which I speak-I studied environmental subjects in college and have a degree in environmental management.

Not sure what you mean Doug, but global warming isn't backed up by ANY science. Like I said, there is NO such thing as anthropogenic global warming because the earth isn't warming and has actually gotten slightly colder since 2001. Those with "saner" minds don't fall victim to Marxist enviroista scare mongering.

Weatherman, the arctic ice isn't melting. Glaciers recede and grow cyclically for centuries on end. We are coming out of the Little Ice Age and of course they have shrunk, but they've been shrinking for a thousand years. The western Artic may be getting slightly warmer due to an unrelated cyclic event in the Pacific, but Greenland and the Eastern Artic are getting colder. Ice thinkness in increasing on Antarctica and Greenland, not shrinking. The earth is not constant, it is variable; ice thikness of glaciers and the ice caps depends as much on moisture and precipitation as on temperature.

(a) The Arctic polar ice cap is at the lowest coverage it has ever been for this time of year, period.

Wrong. Dinosaur fossils have been discovered North of the Arctic Circle. Obviously, the Earth was much warmer during the Cretaceous than now. To say that there has never been a smaller ice cap is ignorant.

As for more recent history, we've only been measuring the polar ice cap for the last few decades. Anything about its historic behavior is speculative at best.

Besides which, the ice caps in Greenland and Antarctica are actually getting thicker.

As for the other small letter arguments: (b) well, since ManBearPig Cultists claim everything that happens is an outcome of ManBearPig, this point is unpersuasive; (c) but any time a record high is recorded in June, the ManBearPig Cult shrieks "See, it's ManBearPig! We're doomed!"; (d)see (b) and (c); and (e)so, when sunspots plunge to another minima (sunspot activity having been abnormally active for the last 50 years) and the Earth cools off dramatically, what say you then? Solar activity has much more influence on the planetary climate than anything humans do. Otherwise, how could it be that Mars has also experienced a slight planetary warming? Has NASA been shooting Ford Excursions to Mars for the last 20 years and not telling anyone?

What is insane is the idea that climate should never change, and when it does change, it can only be the fault of humankind, and therefore, only the wholesale adoption of Marxist socialism under a regime of Totalitarian Gaiaists can save the planet.

I think a good start would be get the global warming alarmists to acknowledge that:

1. The Earth's weather is affected by things that have nothing to do with human activity.

2. This has been going on for as long as the planet has existed.

This has nothing to do with the environment. It has everything to do with the radical Left trying to control the behavior of everyone on the planet. They want to tell you what you can drive, where you can live, what you can earn, where you can work, how many kids you can have, etc.

It would be nice if they would at least once acknowledge that the large, fiery ball at the center of our solar system has a rather large impact on our weather. But no, they argue that my Chevy Blazer has more impact on the weather than the sun.

does anyone know what's going on with moscow?
i heard that last year it was -26 now it's 6. and the bears arn't able to hibernate because it's too warm.

Science is science, the important part is getting what the science says right. If anyone wants to put forward coherent arguments for each side, it's the debate of the week on a website I'm trying to start. The debate of the week about Does man cause global warming?


I heard that too josie... in Moscow they had a chess match with ice pieces vs. some guys in London. The problem was that the chess pieces started to melt because both London and Moscow are having warm winters this year.

So, warmer than normal weather in Europe is proof of ManBearPig, but colder than normal weather in California is just an anomaly that doesn't prove or refute anything.

Unh Huh.

As for the bear thing, we were collectively fear-mongered some weeks ago with the threat of imminent polar bear extinction, which turned out to be BS since 15 of 17 monitored polar bear populations are actually showing increases in population.

Things change. Deal with it.

Cambridge astrophysicist Nigel Weiss:

"Typically, sunspots flare up and settle down in cycles of about 11 years. In the last 50 years, we haven't been living in typical times: "If you look back into the sun's past, you find that we live in a period of abnormally high solar activity," Dr. Weiss states.These hyperactive periods do not last long, "perhaps 50 to 100 years, then you get a crash," says Dr. Weiss. 'It's a boom-bust system, and I would expect a crash soon." In addition to the 11-year cycle, sunspots almost entirely "crash," or die out, every 200 years or so as solar activity diminishes. When the crash occurs, the Earth can cool dramatically. Dr. Weiss knows because these phenomenon, known as "Grand minima," have recurred over the past 10,000 years, if not longer."

So, moonbats, how does driving an SUV result in sunspots. Prithee tell.

Just a couple of quick notes. Firstly, Cullen isn't calling for decertification of anyone. She's saying that the AMI shouldn't put its "seal of approval" on junk science, which is what global-warming deniers are peddling. As for what gives her the right to say that: take a look at her credentials. She has a doctorate in climatology and ocean-atmosphere dynamics from Columbia University. That gives her the right to speak authoritatively on this issue, which is more than can be said for the 99.9% of the folks who have claimed on this and other blogs that global warming and climate change are the result of sun activity, that there's some doubt about its occurring, that scientists don't really know if human beings have anything to do with it, or that all of this is really a massive conspiracy funded by "ecoterrorists" who have somehow managed to suppress the truth, in spite of the fact that anti-global warming spin is almost exclusively funded by an oil industry that--in this country alone--wracked up roughly 100 billion dollars in PROFITS over the last few years. One of the unfortunate side effects of the internet and AM talk radio is that stupid people who would ordinarily be confined to ranting inside their houses to captive audiences of various family members can now broadcast their ignorance about the most basic scientific processes ("Hey, explain why we still have winter, you global warming freaks!!") and utter inability to hold two sequential thoughts in their heads at the same time. Am I elitist? I don't know. Is "elitist" the new term used for people who don't have any patience for other people's b.s.?

Hey Moonbattery, I wonder if you should e-mail somebody in the Southern Hemisphere and suggest to them that they call those clockwise-rotating hurricanes something different. You know, like cyclones, or something.

Just give it time, the global warming hysteria will die down and be replaced by some future worry.

All these folks preaching gloom and doom aren't going to come out and say they were wrong, instead it will all just be forgotten.

Every generation needs their end of the world scenario, and how it's all our fault. In the middle ages it was God's judgement...repent, give money to the church, go on pilgrimage and blah blah blah. Now that science has replaced God, it's the judgement of science...repent give money to scams like Kyoto, drive a hybrid and scince might forgive you, and blah blah blah...

"(b) Increased snow amounts in the mountains of New Mexico and Colorado are an outcome predicted by global warming, as warmer air holds more moisture and the mountains are just too cold to make rain, yet."

So there's not enough moisture to make rain, but there is enough to make snow?

steve davis:
You were doing fine untill your brain shut down. Please read your post again and figure out what went wrong.
PS: In a few years you and "weatherman" will be panicing over the NEW ICE AGE!

Oh gee, kharn, please enlighten me. Where did my "brain shut down" there? When I pointed out that the reason Cullen stated that hurricanes don't rotate clockwise is because hurricanes don't rotate clockwise? Or is it because I'm not suffering the same mystification you apparently are under as to why warmer air holds more moisture than colder air? If you can offer a reason instead of another ad hominem attack, I'll be delighted. Well, o.k. "Delighted" is kind of strong. "Surprised" works better.

I guess we're supposed to just ignore the fact that scientists and environmental groups get billions of dollars in research grants for "climatology research," and those whose research reaches the correct conclusion are rewarded with more research grants. Not to mention that for environmental groups, global warming hysteria has been a fundraising bonanza.

It's much easier just to deride anyone who doesn't join the collective as an oil-company stooge than it is to refute their research on the merits. The smears seem to be intended to distract attention away from the fact that they can't refute the ManBearPig skeptics. If the ManBearPig cultists could refute the data, they wouldn't have to resort to attacking the source of funding.

And maybe Robert F Kennedy would have a gram of credibility on environmental issues if he agreed to let that wind farm be built off Cape Cod.

It all comes down to money.

And, the advertisers on The Weather Channel will observe the many bloggers who are leaving the list of TWC viewership and start to question TWC bosses as to what they are doing to drive viewers away. This will lead to questions about prices for advertising and will ultimately lead to a decision by TWC management: keep the leftist political show on Global Warming theory or dump it and/or its host.

To get the viewership back, TWC is going to need to do something. Either:

-- have Heidi Cullen actually retract her statement (unlikely)

-- cancel the show or put it in a new format with an independent host who has Cullen as a "PRO" warming participant discussing topics with a "CON" global warming participant.

(Actually, "CON" and global warming do go hand in hand)

The transformation of TWC by the new ex-CNN boss is very disheartening. I want to know what to wear today and tomorrow and whether to bring an umbrella. I don't want to be put in the line to drink the KoolAid about any political topic. And that is just was GW is for right now -- it's politically, not scientific.

Lastly, what's with her credentials? She goes to all these different universities in her doctoral work and it's not until the very last one that she manages to get something accepted? Isn't that a sign right there?

Global Warming is REAL!!! www.heidicullen.com

"Oh gee, kharn, please enlighten me."

You started ranting. In your own words:

"That gives her the right to speak authoritatively on this issue, which is more than can be said for the 99.9% of the folks who have claimed on this and other blogs....in spite of the fact that anti-global warming spin is almost exclusively funded by an oil industry....One of the unfortunate side effects of the internet and AM talk radio is that stupid people who would ordinarily be confined to ranting inside their houses.... Is "elitist" the new term used for people who don't have any patience for other people's b.s.?"

What was that you said about "another ad hominem attack"?

Eight years ago we were told that Y2K was the greatest threat to the human race since bubonic plague. Y2K came and Y2K went. Global Luke Warming has gone from a scientific theory to a new age religion and is now a lucrative cash cow. All kinds of government grants are being awarded to study this nonsense and Nazis like DOCTOR Heidi Cullen are trying to stiffle debate by establishing death camps for dissenters. Did you see any glaciers covering North America or Northern Europe when you got up this morning? Did you see any wooly mammoths or saber tooth tigers?
That's because the earth has warmed in the past. Six billion years from now our sun will become a red giant and swallow the planets Mercury and Venus and perhaps even the earth. Even if the earth escapes we will lose our atmosphere and oceans. Now that brother is global warming. The only difference between Hillary and Heidi is Heidi has better legs.

I would like to see a poll regarding the believe in global warming and its proper scientific evidence amongst degree levels and whether the studies pursued at higher education were scientific or not. You can very, very easily tell by the Cullen blog that the scientists that blog do NOT believe, and the political types do.

I also forgot to post this link:

http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2005/09/15/little/

the weather channel refuses to post my blogs with this link. It is an interview with Cullen where she states taht she used to be a much more balanced scientist, but that she had to "sexy up" a bit to make the issues seem more important. This has to be getting to her since her roots are true science and she made the "flip". Perhaps this is part of the reason for the weather channel not posting blogs for almost 3 days. Maybe she will come back to the science?