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Once again, the irony of the left is lost on the left.

While I disagree with most of his views, he's right about religion turning people into lemmings to a certain extent.

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of course, you're right about religion, steve - but faith on the other hand is another matter.

Elton John wants to shove all the world's religions into a nylon stocking, and then stuff it up his gay butt.

wonder if he meant also the religion of secular humanism:

http://www.jcn.com/manifestos.html

an avowed religion with non-profit status.

Wow, and I thought this was a place for people who actually BELIEVED in Western Civilization and celebrated it. You people saying these things about "religion" and it being a tool to control people are saying the same things that moonbats say. If you people don't really identify with what is espoused here, why bother coming? Your one sided, incorrect view of religion is an moonbatty as what Elton said. We need a return to the Christian roots in the West if we want to survive liberalism. There MUST be a non-changing foundation, and Christian religion is it for the West.

Chris, it's just symptomatic of how deeply anti-religious moonbattery is embedded in our culture. Even those who ostensibly oppose moonbattery have been drinking the secular kool-aid for so long that they don't recognize that the stereotypes they've bought into about religion are part of the same moonbattery they agree is destroying civilization.

faith and religion are two separate matters.

One is also useless without the other.

Or, more exactly, faith without religion leads to navel gazing and California idiots chanting at crystals. Religion without faith leads to suicide bombings and touching little boys.

The Queen of England has decreed that religion is dead. How quaint of him. But not to worry, now you can find redemption at your local bathhouse.

Excellent Pocomoco!! Right on target! Anybody that is as ridiculous as Elton is has no business judging others.

The founding fathers would disagree with you nanc... John Adams was correct when he said that our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people, for any other it would be unworkable. Our system depends on a wise, moral people who take responsibility for themselves. I'm afraid the Burger King appraoch to faith (have it your way) is not working to the West's advantage. We need a return to basic, right and wrong Christianity.

"The world is my country. To do good is my religion." Thomas Paine

Paine was a Deist, not a Christian.

chris - tell that to the baptists and pentecostals at noon on sunday!

Sure is a lot of ignorace being displayed here. Eltot John has a lot of company.

I would rather ban elton john.

"of course, you're right about religion, steve - but faith on the other hand is another matter."

FAITH!

That word alone speaks volumes. I have Faith. My Faith is with Jesus Christ. I just totally disagree with religious ideology.

and of course - i agree with you steve.

religion is a manmade affair.

from judaism sprang christianity - we have faith in the same G-d.

from the handmaiden, hagar, came the bastitch ishmael - hence islam - sorry to be so blatant. the bible says he is a wild ass of a man...hmmm...

put'em up - put'em up (in my best cowardly lion voice!).

my faith also is in Yeshua, of the bible. there is NO other Name under heaven...

of course y'all know he'll next want us to wear goofy...er...uh...duck costumes...

give a queer and inch and the next thing you know they want seven!

"give a queer and inch and the next thing you know they want seven!"

haha!

But regards to religion, isn't that the source of all the fighting and bickering?

I hope He comes soon, and boy, when He does, He is going to be pissed in the way we've been fighting.

spot on, steve! religion IS the source of ALL the fighting. ideologies are at stake here. be they secular or of faith.

so call me narrowminded. it is good to know where i stand.

pist is putting it lightly.

here's what our foulfeathered friend, eltoonyloons has to look forward when dhimmitude kicks in:

http://www.inthedays.com/days-of-lot/iran-hangs-
gay-man-in-public/#more-441

islam does not appreciate fags.

That wouldn't be hard to do nanc, since I'm one of those dreadful Baptists you don't seem to like!

Phil:
First of all, Paine was not a Founding Father of the US, and the US has a Judeo-Protestant Christain heritage (easily demonstrated), not a "deist" one. Second, that sure does reek of one-world, utopian Moonbattery. People should be loyal first and foremost to thier NATIONS, not "the world." It's the only way that self-government can work. People who are not loyal only to America shouldn't be an American. And last, what you stated is Burger King religion. There must be a solid foundation, not religion/faith the way you want it. Abandonment of Christianity and its values is the West's largest problem. "Doing good" can mean pretty much whatever you want it to mean, and also reeks of utopianism.

(Sorry for the double post; moderator can delete the first one)
"Religious Ideologies" reeks of moonbattery, sorry to say. There are minor differences between the Protestant sects (and I've never seen them "fight" but I have seen disagreements because it is not human nature to agree always), and with Catholics. More extensive with Jews, but they all fit in with the West. I understand what you think you are saying, but "faith" can mean virtually anything you want it to mean, and that's not going to cut it; I would urge the reading of http://www.amnation.com/vfr sections on US history/heritage and Frontpagemags The Case for Judeo-Christian Values. Forgetting your history and heritage and moral foundation is what the problem is.

Some of you seem to suffer from the way it never was syndrome. Religion is not the source of all of mankinds fighting, sorry. Humans have fought from the very beginning, and always will. Humans are not naturally peaceful and religion has done a good job of helping keep us in line.

Sorry for the reek....

I used the Paine quote to demonstrate that you can be a decent person, even if you are not a Christian. Read Paine's The Age of Reason.
Going to church doesn't make you a Christian, anymore than going to the garage makes you a car.
As for the "one world" accusation, remember that Washington and nearly all of the Founding Fathers were Freemasons, a group condemned by both the Catholic and Protestant churches for promoting ecumenicalism. If you listen to someone like Pat Robertson, than Washington should never have been President because he was part of "the One-world Beast System."

i love baptists, chris!

there is no one i do not love. ideals, however, are another thing...

i've had the great pleasure of being a bapticostal for a few years - what one lacks the other takes up for. see what i mean about religion...

One thing I think often shows the utter hypocrisy of certain people is when they chant for governments to ban what they don't like, but scream like hell when what they want is oppressed. Censorship of rationalism? God forbid (pun intended). But censorship of religions? Yabba dabba doo!

A great insight into the character of an individual is the extent to which they fight for the rights of people they DON'T agree with. To that end, I think we can clearly see the character of those here that have arrogantly and ignorantly proposed the banning of all religion.

This is often why I state, and it is true, that atheism leads to immorality. The immeasurably immoral suggestion that a government or group should directly oppress the religious freedom of another is the EXACT doctrine of the Nazis!

Someone remarked the other day to me that intelligent people should know that you cannot support the oppression of people different than you, because you certainly would be next. I noted that they are most certainly correct, *intelligent people* DO know this, which leaves only one group left who DON'T.

The suggestion that you should ban religion is also a non-democratic one. The overwhelming majority of ALL people in the world believes in some type of god and desires the freedom to worship that god freely. So, banning religion would be the oppression of the masses by the tiny, tiny minority. This type of thinking is called *Fascism* or a dictatorship. The supporters of this kind of ideology *clearly* show their twisted and perverse psyches every time.

I wonder what those that desire to ban religion (including the debase Elton John) would think about banning atheism? Atheism (as all noted philosophers have agreed, including the Rationalist Bertrand Russell) is a "faith-based system of belief", and this likens it to a religion. As I stated, it is a faith-based system of belief. It is clearly argued by Russell and Hume — which so many rationalists love to quote — that pure atheism is impossible, because one can not *prove* that there is no god. Therefore, it is by *faith* that one believes there is no god, and a system of faith-based belief IS a religion. As I already stated, this definition is agreed upon by ALL the major philosophers including Sartre, Hume and Russell... the vanguards of the god-haters. So therefore, do we ban *atheism* as well? Ban agnostics?

Ban all religion... what is next? Ban heterosexuality? Ban love? Ban the rights of anyone we disagree with? Yes, that is truly evil thought, which only goes to prove that a life without God leads to the utter perversion of

Oops...

...leads to the utter perversion of the mind and the soul.