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"True enough, the towers should have been rebuilt long ago, exactly as they were. Then we wouldn't have to worry about roaches like Nagin making fun of holes in the ground..."

Yeah, right. Good luck leasing out the office space. I'm sure you'd be the first to sign up for the top floor. Better get yrself an evacuchute first, little buddy.

You are absolutely fucking retarded, my dumb, brain-washed friend. Regardless, good luck rebuilding the Towers. And don't worry: the evacuchute deploys in less than 1.5 seconds.

Your idealism only goes so far, hippy. Real Amerikans won't voluntarily go back to work in a giant phallic target for Islamic terrorists. They'd rather sit at home and blog a bunch of bullshit about how tough they are...

At least come back with something real, dude. Nagin was right and you know it. You're just ashamed that your country has failed you yet again.

What is it about members of the left that they cannot seem to express themselves without the flourishing, flowery rhetoric of profanity, as Ray Nagin, and daveblackwood, prove? Could it be the public school system failed them, they slept throught English class, higher education meant they were on the third floor, or that they are just carrying on family traditions? We can only hope such people are sterile.

Hey daveblackwood, have you read Douglas Brinkley's book on Katrina called the Great Deluge yet? You do remember Mr. Brinkley don't you, he wrote John Kerry's biography Tour of Duty. Well Mr. Brinkley tears Nagin apart for his incompentence. Who else but someone wanting to cover their sorry behind would meet with lawyers to discuss hotel liability so Nagin could decide if he would issue the evacuation order, of which he did just hours later. Which gave New Orleans only 19 hours to evacuate instead of the 24 to 36 hours the plans Nagin ignored predicated.

Those yellow school buses sitting swamped in flood waters a mere mile from the SuperDome will forever be to me a symbol of Nagin's gross negligence. Nagin said they could not get things organized to use those buses. Meanwhile a 13 year old stole one such bus, loaded friends&family up, and drove to Houston.

And to use the SuperDome, a place only rated for Category 3 storms, as a shelter for Katrina evacuees was even further criminal negligence. And post storm analysis would show the SuperDome could not withstand the Category 3 winds Katrina did inflict upon New Orleans.

I strongly suspect that one of the reasons the 'Towers" haven't been rebuilt is that they were the product of a developer's sweetheart deal in the first place, and were only so-so profitable anyway.

I was living at home when the WTC went up, and by mother is, by avocation, an Architectural Historian - so she was getting reports over the grapevine. The WTC was built on landfill that cost as only a government project can cost, Nevertheless I seem to recall that the developer paid only some nominal fee to take possession, and I believe that the property tax was fixed at a very low level as well (this is how an activist Mayor tries to boost the local economy, as opposed to cutting taxes generally). And I'm afraid that Mr. Blackwood is probably right about renting space in a new WTC, as I seem to recall that the old one was seldom anywhere near capacity even before 9/11. Most people who commute into Manhattan don't want to do another longish commute - standing up - into the sky.

I think that the construction of the first WTC was subsidized in other ways, too, but can't run it down at the moment.

In other words, the WTC was something of a white elephant - wouldn't have been built without taxpayer subsidies that may or may not fly now, and so-so profitable anyway. The owner is probably quietly hoping that he can get out of building anything quite that heroic, and maybe get somebody to take the property off his hands entirely.

And if we do rebuild, can we please not make the new towers a couple of featureless steel and glass boxes? All sentiment aside, the Twins were really not all that attractive.

PS: Blackwood, I agree with you that renting out a new WTC would be a problem. You're still a rude swine.

As I have said before, the incompetence reflected in the failure to rebuild the WTC or rebuild New Orleans BOTH demonstrate that liberals should not be allowed to run major cities.

Liberals do serve a purpose. They make great artists, musicians and such. And they can occasionally serve in the "caring professions," although they have to be carefully watched to make sure they don't kill off the babies, the elderly, or the disabled when no one is looking.

And, of course, liberals can find work in the bureaucracy, where little is expected of employees anyway.

But they should not be allowed positions of power in government. The WTC, New Orleans, The UN, the Big Dig, and the Carter Administration are but a few examples that should make this clear.

I always liked the five tower design to replace the WTC towers.

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True, it looks like a hand with a raised middle finger but it is appropriate for New York City if youve ever spent any amount of time there. And point the hand towards towards Mecca.

If the tropical storm percolating out there heads to New Orleans, do you think O' "chocolate" Nagin will dash to Dallas again?
I think someone needs to nail his feet to the floor and make him stay!
General Jack, good idea with the finger thing!

Nagin and michael brown have GOT to be related.

Incompetence is an understaement as well as an excuse...

In case of natural disasters, FEMA needs to just steamroll over local and state officials and tell them to STFU or do it themselves. Lousiana is a mess from the governor on down. That was what Brown refused to do - too much paper pushing bureacrat and not enough action.

In case of natural disasters, FEMA needs to just steamroll over local and state officials and tell them to STFU or do it themselves.

That's kind of unfair to Mississippi, where state and local government handled Katrina with competence and are proceeding toward recovery.

Nagin is a very ignorant man, unfortunately elected by very ignorant people. State and fed governments shouldn't be picking up after this guy so those that elected get to enjoy the consequences of electing him.

Most blacks see a black candidate and thats all they "want" see. It`s always been like that and always will be.
A deep seated resentment is where they will continue to sit.

Ignorant is a great description. Ignorance by choice.

Quite a stretch saying Nagin spits on ground zero.

It was a good comeback.

You`re starting to sound like the left.

My previous comments were more directed at Louisiana than Mississippi.

It would be better to say if the State and Local governments dont do the job within 24 hours, then FEMA and military should just run them over and get the job done. To heck with worrying about politics and stepping on peoples toes. Brown spent too much time consulting with LA government officials playing bureaucrat and waiting for them to ask for specific help. When the news started showing what was going on, FEMA and the military should have gone in whether Nagin and his hacks liked it or not. It is widely known that Louisiana is one of the most corrupt and worse run states in the union - New Orleans is the most corrupt city.

Why on earth the lefties continue to defend nagin is beyond me. So many things are so obvious, and so many things he says would not be tolerated if said by the right. (I'm proud of my city being a vanilla city)...

He is a black man that got elected in a corrupt city because he is black. Why bother to argue with that? He was not competant to handle the situation, but instead fell back on what he knew how to do, blame whitey.

Why defend him? Why would lefties and dems want to defend him just because he's a black dem? I think the dems really need to start purging incompetance if they want a chance in November. They need to be outspoken about their own problems and mistakes instead of denegrating the right. Start being honest, start saying what positive things they can do, and do so WITHOUT MENTIONING BUSH, REPUBLICANS, CONSERVATIVES, ET AL.

It can't be done, because if they're not bashing someone else, they've got nothing to say. Enter Nagin's comments on NY.