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We've heard this week that terrorists have been buying up disposable cell phones to avoid even legal wiretaps -- they were used in Madrid.

So it's obvious that terrorists expected to be wiretapped in the US.

So how does exposing an illegal wiretapping operation that spies on Americans while taking resources away from the war on terror hurt national security?

Just feighned outrage from the Bush administration caught red handed breaking the Patriot Act!

4,000 Americans spied on -- not a single terrorist arrested in four years.

You have to wonder if those vaunted wireless wiretaps led to this weekend's failed air raid in Pakistan that killed 17 civilians and completely missed al Qaeda's number 2 guy.

Yes, we heard *this week*. You know, *after* the wiretapping information was released. A lot of these events happened after the information was leaked. I'd say that's proof enough in itself that the NYT has damaged the ability of the US to protect itself.

Also lets not forget the men in Italy who were recently prosecuted for planning a whole bunch of attacks on the US. The evidence against them? NSA wiretaps on international phone calls.

Egads, R. R. you are a case and point: The example you give is EXACTLY what we are talking about!

What is wrong with you people?

Why do you seek trivial, superficial and self-serving rationalizations for your positions? WHy do you conastantl;y miss the point?

This is not difficult stuff.

What makes you think that you know all the details of US itel operations? Certainly "opinions" like the one you just gave do n ot demonstrate any understanding of the matter at all.

You and your ilk are not serious people.

Yes, the Italian case was cracked using LEGAL NSA wiretaps.

And the cellphone move -- Madrid, I believe happened long before the illegal wiretapping story broke in mid-December.

I tend to stand up for the Constitution over a partisan politician who has used the warrantless wiretaps to spy on political rivals instead of terrorists.

This is what's so shallow about the righties' position here. They're backing Bush, and could care less whether he's spying on terrroists or using those resources for political advantage.

Did I just step in some dog shit?

Yup, same old runny, smelly dog shit.

I think it's time to shoot this dog in the head and put it out of it's misery.

All it does is howl nonsense and shit on the floor.

Ah gotta love the GOP blogs, they make less sense then Foxnews when they say one thing and the exact opposite is whats going on, Take 2 nites back for the alito hearings, They say "Smooth Sailing" on there main page, and yet every other station is Airing clips of his Wife in tears, he is bieng blasted so hard.

As for your statements about the NY times bieng the new century's Commies! lol

If that were true WHY then did they not release the story When they first got it. you know BEFORE the 04 election.

Yes thats right they had the Story before bush's re-election. And if you listen to Jr's speaches he has stated multiple times he goes to Newspapers and Reporters asking them not break stories that could damage his Approval ratings..

Ill leave you with this thought, You just spend XX amount of time on this blog smack talking a newspaper that follows your beliefs.. Is owned by Republicans.... and Held a story for the Benifit of the Man you seem willing to Give a Oral sex to if he said it would help National Security..

The times held back the story because they thought that Bush's actions on hearing it would increase his chances of winning.

And - jr - those phones in Madrid aren't the untraceable type you're thinking of, not in the same fashion at least. Phones on this side of the pond uwse a differed system to phones in America where there are, I believe, two different standards in use, along with a seperate 2.5G and 2 seperate 3G systems, which makes for some interesting tracking problems. Besides which, when you purchase a pay-as-you-go phone over here, and even on the continent, you have to register it to receive a pin number to make payments, which renders them traceable.

The run on untracaeable phones in the United States only started this month. You know, after the story broke...

Ah, DfP, another moonbat whose reasoning skills are matched only by his spelling and punctuation skills.

Funny, funny dudes, those moonbats. Except when they fuck with our national security. Then they need to be dealt with.

Ah, the run only began this month.

The feds have been dealing with this problem for years. The Sopranos had an episode about organized crime using them to avoid wiretaps three years ago.

An entire season of The Wire used the untracable, disposable phones more than a year back.

If it's gotten into the popular culture -- the terrorists know about it.

And the feds will tell you it's been going on for years.

The story just broke lately.

Meanwhile, the FBI is now complaining that the warrantless wiretaps have wasted thousands of man hours and tied up hundreds of their counter terrorism agents to listen to school teachers order pizza.

A huge embarassment to the Bush administration -- and it's cost Americans a good measure of safety.