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This crap would be hillarious if the times weren't so dangerous. Funny how everyone is a fascist except the real fascists (to these people).

I am SO lovin' it!

The Dems' playbook is old and tattered.

Instead of putting forth ideas to help America, they have wasted the last 5 years trying to impeach a duly elected President.

This decade for them is like the 90's were for conservatives.

When conservatives lost elections, they didn't whine and groan that they were stolen. They just worked harder, held to their values and finally won.

That lesson has fallen on deaf ears at the DNC.

Yup,
The Dems and their fellow loony leftists are going down in a burning ball of flames! This is the little firecracker they throw out the window?!

LOOOOL!

Since people here seem capable only of snide comments but no substantive criticism, I'll give you another chance to repond to a couple of comments I made on previous tracks.

Here is the first:

People at this site seem to think that recent charges that the Bush administration has been spying on Americans is just spin made up by liberals. So instead of referring solely to liberals' objections to this behavior, let's take a look at what some conservatives have been saying.

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) said, "I don't know of any legal basis to go around" the requirement that the White House formally apply to the FISA court for a warrant to engage in domestic surveillance.

Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) said it is a "legitimate question" to ask why "the president chose not to use FISA."

After Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales cited executive authority in defending the legality of the administration's actions, Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) - who is in charge of organizing an investigation into the issue - responded that he was "skeptical of the attorney general's citation of authority."

Bob Barr (R-Ga) said: "What's wrong with [Bush's electronic surveillance of Americans] is several-fold. One, it's bad policy for our government to be spying on American citizens through the National Security Agency. Secondly, it's bad to be spying on Americans without court oversight. And thirdly, it's bad to be spying on Americans apparently in violation of federal laws against doing it without court order...
...The Constitution is the Constitution, and I took an oath to abide by it. My good friend, my former colleague, Dana Rohrabacher, did and the president did. And I don't really care very much whether or not it can be justified based on some hypothetical. The fact of the matter is that, if you have any government official who deliberately orders that federal law be violated despite the best of motives, that certainly ought to be of concern to us."

Barrons, the conservative financial weekly owned by the WSJ, called for an investigation into the Bush administration's use of domestic surveillance as a possible impeachable offense. December 26. Look it up.

Here is the second:

Bush's willingness to brush aside the rule of law when it suits him has been a disturbing theme of his presidency. As has his willingness to lie about it. If you don't believe that, here are some statements WE NOW KNOW ARE FALSE and that BUSH KNEW WERE FALSE when he said them:

"Any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order... Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so."

and

"You see, what that meant is if you got a wiretap by court order -- and by the way, everything you hear about requires court order, requires there to be permission from a FISA court, for example."

and

"A couple of things that are very important for you to understand about the Patriot Act. First of all, any action that takes place by law enforcement requires a court order... In other words, the government can't move on wiretaps or roving wiretaps without getting a court order... What the Patriot Act said is let's give our law enforcement the tools necessary, without abridging the Constitution of the United States..."

Bush has also repeatedly misstated to the public that the need to seek such warrants means "the judicial branch has a strong oversight role":

"Law enforcement officers need a federal judge's permission to wiretap a foreign terrorist's phone, a federal judge's permission to track his calls, or a federal judge's permission to search his property."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051220/ts_afp/usattacksintelligence

The Republican leaders of the Senate and House are under investigation. Other Republican members of Congress face corruption charges in the Abramoff scandal. President Bush got us into a war based on false pretenses. Before making petty objections to Democracts acting like an opposition party, conservatives might want to clean up their own behavior. In that case, unlike now, their pontifications would have moral credibility. Any other snark from you is just a distraction from the fact that Bush got us into a war based on false pretenses and knowingly violated congressional law. The former is a sign of incompetence. The latter is most certainly an impeachable offense.

To make it easy on you conservatives, I'll summarize my points, all of which I have supported with evidence that you will have to challenge if you wish to refute my claims, which are:

1) Criticism of Bush's electronic surveillance has been bipartisan.

2) Bush said electronic surveillance of Americans required court approval. Legally it did, but he ignored that. He lied and he broke the law.

3) The Republican leadership in the House and Senate has been under investigation for ethics/campaign finance/SEC violations. So are various Republican congressmen for the Abramoff scandal. The Republican party is rife with corruption and abuse of power.

4) Bush got us into a war based on false pretenses. No WMD have been found in Iraq.

If you disagree with me, then challenge me on substance. Your snark is childish and boring.

And so are you. Every single point has been refuted over and over and over again.

Stop smoking pot and mayve you can see through that fog for a change.

You're only a source of humor now.

And besides, we only come here to laugh at you dems and marvel at your stupidity.

Thanks for obliging us!

Since people here seem capable only of snide comments but no substantive criticism, I'll give you another chance to repond to a couple of comments I made on previous tracks.

a) If we are only capable of snide comments and can offer no substantive criticism, as you say, why do you waste your time casting your pearls before us swine?

b) Thank you for so graciously offering us another chance to respond to your arguments. I'm sure everyone here is as honored as I am by your offer.

If nobody is responding to your arguments despite your offering "second chances" again and again across multiple threads, maybe it's because we understand full well that it will achieve nothing. Your attitude, reflected in how you ask your questions, demonstrates that you know you already have the answers and don't need ours.

But..but...but...
Dem IS relevant, DAMNIT...
if only in Dem's mind.
(I can just sense a pout and a foot stamp)

My arguments have been disproved? Then it should be easy to respond to them. Just copy and paste from any of the comments at this site that have refuted them. I think we both realize you are incapable of that because no such refutations exist. Insults seem to be the ONLY response you are capable of offering. I guess that is what you have to resort to when you can't put up a real argument. Did any of you get an education? If your teacher asked you a question and you responded simply that the answer is obvious, you would fail, just as you have failed here. I'd be happy to debate you on other embarassing conservative ideas too, like intelligent design, if you'd like. But if you can't put together an argument that amounts to anything better than "you're stupid", then you're just wasting my time.

Yawn... You've become boring.

The feeling is mutual.

So hit the road loser.

Aren't you embarassed to reply Doug? Can't you come up with something better than that? You guys are so brave making fun of liberals when none are around. Well, here I am. Tell me why my beliefs are wrong. What's that? Can't do it? Taunts didn't get me to go? Whimpering for me to leave now?

I realize this is like taunting an infant, but I've got another thought for you. Today Al Gore essentially accused conservatives of being pussies if they support the dissolution of civil liberties. As another blogger (who served in the marines) put it:

"Conservatives would surrender their rights in order to assuage their overwhelming fear. 'Give me liberty or give me death' has no meaning to these fools as they cower in fear under their beds.

It's not just that they won't fight the war they claim is so crucial to the fate of the world, prefering to send others to their deaths. They are also cowards for enabling and defending Bush's efforts to tear up the Constitution."

Hey pussie conservatives, still paying attention? He then quotes Gore's speech:

"Fear drives out reason. Fear suppresses the politics of discourse and opens the door to the politics of destruction. Justice Brandeis once wrote: 'Men feared witches and burnt women.'

The founders of our country faced dire threats. If they failed in their endeavors, they would have been hung as traitors. The very existence of our country was at risk. Yet, in the teeth of those dangers, they insisted on establishing the Bill of Rights.

Is our Congress today in more danger than were their predecessors when the British army was marching on the Capitol? Is the world more dangerous than when we faced an ideological enemy with tens of thousands of missiles poised to be launched against us and annihilate our country at a moment's notice? Is America in more danger now than when we faced worldwide fascism on the march-when our fathers fought and won two World Wars?

It is simply an insult to those who came before us and sacrificed so much on our behalf to imply that we have more to be fearful of than they. Yet they faithfully protected our freedoms and now it is up to us to do the same."

Torture, spying, it's all good when as long as it happens to somebody else, according to you guys. Give it some thought when you get back from your community college beer bash and you're whacking off alone in your room or when you're pumping gas into the nice car your daddy gave you. Anytime you have a moment free. Get back to me if anything intelligent comes to you. I know that is asking a lot.

Pussies.

And you demonstrate again that you don't want the discussion you claim to want, but rather the validation of your moral superiority by what you perceive as "scoring points" on us...leaving us speechless with your breathtaking demonstrations of copy and paste argumentation. Don't mistake our failure to respond to your talking points as proof of your rectitude or your towering intellect, when it's really just an expression of bored contempt.

This is exactly what they want. Us, the people, fighting like kids over the phony left-right paradigm. Divide and conquer....yall have been conquered.

Thank God the Bush Administration is getting indicted....its about damn time!

You people need to wake up....