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November 23, 2005
Honest Abe's Words of Wisdom

During the Civil War, Democrats caused so much political damage by convincing people that the war was a lost cause and the Union ought to just let the Confederate states go that for a while it looked like Lincoln would lose the election of 1864. If he had lost, today we would be two weak countries instead of one strong one.
We would be only one weak country if Kerry had won in 2004, at least where fighting terrorism is concerned. But he didn't win, and the country is not weak. It's time for ankle-biting Democrats to get out of the way and let us win this war. Our future is at stake.
Clarification
I'm not saying that kooks like Kennedy and Kerry should be hanged. I'm saying that they should shut up if they don't have anything constructive to say.
Posted by Van Helsing at November 23, 2005 08:06 AM
Comments
Yes, but also remember 'Abe' suspended the Writ of Habeas Corpus.
Posted by: ex-expat at November 23, 2005 09:32 AM
Another fine apples to oranges comparison. Typical Republican tactic. Mr. and Mrs. America are even growing weary of Dubya's BS. If the folks you describe should be hanged, what happens to the good folks that orchestrated this mess? How can you blame what is now the majority for trying to hold a liar and thief accountable?
I suppose you and your ilk will remain in denial and subscribe to the lies until the bitter ends.
Posted by: Rob B. at November 23, 2005 01:41 PM
Well I'll say it then: They are seditious traitors and should be arrested, tried, and punished as is customary for traitors, i.e. a blindfold and a last smoke before the firing squad.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at November 23, 2005 02:59 PM
"what happens to the good folks that orchestrated this mess?"
Yes, I also want to know what happens to Bill Clinton.
Posted by: Archonix at November 23, 2005 04:50 PM
Ditto and touche, Archonix.
They ARE seditious and there should be consequences. I'm embarrassed to say that I live in MA, and those two Massachusetts Senate sacks o' stuff are walking marks of shame for this state.
Massachusetts, one of the cradles of the Revolution, and yet here we are. It's reprehensible.
Posted by: Laura at November 23, 2005 05:46 PM
Rob B:
"If the folks you describe should be hanged, what happens to the good folks that orchestrated this mess? How can you blame what is now the majority for trying to hold a liar and thief accountable?"
First of all Robbie, what "mess" are you talking about. Is it the MSM War in Iraq, or the real War in Iraq? And, did it ever enter your head that the poor showing of GW in the polls is as much a result of righwing voters not happy with his soft policies and massive expenditures on social programs (the greatest in the history of your country). You should be embarrassed that it takes a Canadian to come here and explain to you that vast generalization and supositions as you made don't hold water. My bet is that as soon as GW gets back in the saddle and runs down his critics, like he's just starting to do, his rating will go right back up.
And yes, I would personally hang the bastards who voted for the war, and are now playing cut and run. That means I'd leave Ol Teddy alone, because he never did vote for it. Kerry would be treated like a common criminal though. With Dems like him, it's no wonder Democrats lose almost every war they ever fight. Your last win was WW2.
Posted by: Debris Trail at November 23, 2005 07:01 PM
A little more rob to suck on:
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20051124-121037-1013r.htm
Posted by: Debris Trail at November 24, 2005 10:09 AM
Hey, I got one for you from the Vietnam War, maybe you want to publish it on your site with the rest. Its almost exactly the same things that Kennedy, Kerry, and Murtha are saying today at another time of war when politics should have been put aside so that the troops wouldn't be put in further danger.
These moonbats will stop at nothing to be seditious and try to hurt the country at a time of war. Which of the moonbats do you think these quotes are from? I will say that it is someone you haven't mentioned who is still prominent today...
“The administration should clarify its intent in Viet Nam. People lack confidence in the credibility of our government. Even our allies are beginning to suspect what we say. It’s a difficult thing today to be informed about our government even without all the secrecy. With the secrecy, it’s impossible. The American people will do what’s right when they have the information they need.”
“I do, however, believe it is important to the future of our Nation to recognize that there is a problem of credibility today.”
“I believe the following significant and timely editorial which appeared in today’s issue of the New York Times and which discusses our involvement in Vietnam merits wide attention. I concur in the conclusion expressed therein that the people of the United States must know not only how their country became involved but where we are heading.”
“Accurate judgment is predicated on accurate information. Government has an obligation to present information to the public promptly and accurately so that the public’s evaluation of Government activities is not distorted. Political pundits speak of the ‘credibility gap’ in the present administration. Indeed, this appellation is so widespread that it has become a household word.”
Posted by: Roscoe at November 25, 2005 01:42 PM
What has really grown to bug me about the dems is the way they seem to scream and whine most during those times that Iraq is showing the most progress.
The first public vote? You'd have thought that it was the apocalypse the way they were talking about the horror and failures.
The constitution signing? It was (gasp) 72 hours late and the dems would have you believe it was the end of all hope.
Now Iraqi's prepare for the big vote, and here they are talking about how all hope is lost. They say we need to pull out NOW!
I think the dems are afraid a victory will lock them out of power forever.
There's an old saying in politics. "IF your opponent is busy destroying himself, don't get in the way." If Bush was really losing, the dems would let the headlines write themselves.
Posted by: Johnny at November 26, 2005 03:38 PM
Roscoe: For one thing those statements are not even remotely like the myriad of quotes by Senators and Congressmen between 1998 and late 2002 that have been posted time and time again which focus primarily on the presence or absence of WMD and the intelligence that led to this war.
And the mantra repeated by Rumsfeld 30+ years ago applied to today's current events are quite true. We have an administration that has repeatedly refused to address specific accusations and attacks and left the media to run amok with disinformation and the omission of other information which has led to not a quagmire in Iraq, but a quagmire within our own borders. They are at fault for this. They've responded with too little, too late. So I don't know what you intend to prove with that that we don't already know and agree with.
No, I don't think we should be given specific military information, but I do think that the allegations related to the lead-up to the war should have been put to rest long ago.
Posted by: Von Oyster at November 27, 2005 11:31 AM
Good to see all the fine Republicans here who believe that First Amendment stuff about free speech is bunk.
Now, let's repeal the Second Amendment and take your guns, too.
Posted by: Ronald Reagan at November 28, 2005 01:54 PM
The lead up to war and the intelligence used to sell it to the American people is not important at all now. Once we set our troops down none of that mattered any longer. Why do you think there was such a rush in the buildup to make the case and go in.
The Democrats should have voted against the war when they had the chance and scrutinized the intelligence before we went in, but they didn't. They knew if they did then they could be painted like cowardly terror supporters the same way we did with Max Cleland. Triple amputee my ass, its all altered photos by the liberal media, and even if he was injured he probably self inflicted it to get out of combat.
The beauty of the situation is that they were screwed either way. If they protested and scrutinized in the buildup and in the wake of 911 they were supporting terror. If they took the President at his word and later found out that the intel was cooked they can't say anything because they went along.
Why dont we just come out and say it, the democrats are wrong no matter what they do and the President is right no matter what. The President is a war hero, Murtha is a coward. John Kerry should be hung, and Ted Kennedy should be drowned in a pool of booze.
Sedition is illegal in America! The Democrats should stand behind the President in whatever he says. Why are the radical democrats so out of touch with mainstream America?
Posted by: Haldeman at November 28, 2005 09:21 PM