June 17, 2005
A Quick Reminder for Senator Durbin
Senator Dick Durbin has recently gone on the record (PDF) comparing the almost obsequious treatment of the terrorists interned at Guantanamo Bay to the ghastly crimes of the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, and the Khmer Rouge. He sites air conditioning that was adjusted too high or turned off and loud music as inhumane torments the poor jihadists were forced to endure. V the K of Caption This! fisked his remarks nicely here.
Here are a few photographs that might refresh Senator Durbin's memory as to what he is saying when he compares Americans to communists and Nazis:
What are the chances that anyone in these pictures spent their last days complaining that their air conditioning wasn't adjusted properly?
I can't explain the surreal hyperbole surrounding the supposed abuse of terrorists, other than to say it's a matter of psychopathology as much as politics. At least some of the irresponsible fools in the chorus Durbin has joined must be aware that they are not only insulting and demoralizing both our troops and our country; they are not only providing critical propaganda support to al Qaeda and impeding the Government's ability to prevent the next 9/11; they are also trivializing the horrors that the profoundly evil ideologies of communism and fascism have inflicted on millions of innocent victims. What sort of sickness makes them want to do that?
Cross-posted at The Wide Awakes.
Posted by Van Helsing at June 17, 2005 5:52 AM
So far, no Democrat has rebuked Durbin the Turban, and some (like Kos) are cheering him on. This means two things. 1.) The Democrats really do believe our American soldiers are equivalent to Nazis and Soviets. 2.) The next Democrat will have to say something even more outrageous to top him, and then another Democrat will have to top him, and then another will have to top him, and so on.
By September, the Democrats will be accusing American troops of eating babies.
Posted by: V the K at June 17, 2005 6:12 AM
So the Dhimmicratic Party[USA] is caught up in a vicious cycle of verbal one-upmanship. V the K maybe right since it seems Israel controls the US according to some of these nutters, next will be blood libel on the menu of 'atrocity of the day' brought to you by the Dhimmicratic Party[USA].
Can we have the revolution now?
Posted by: Anna at June 17, 2005 7:53 AM
Durbin said his comments had been misinterpreted as an attack on the U.S. military, adding he did not even know who was in charge of the particular interrogation cited in the FBI agent's account. "Sadly, we have a situation here where some in the right-wing media say I've been insulting men and women in uniform," he said. "Nothing could be farther from the truth."
Do you remember what you said, Comrade Senator?
This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners.
So, if not soldiers, who were these Americans you were comparing to Nazis and Soviets? Who else is holding prisoners at Guantanamo Bay? AmWay salesmen? Jehovah Witnesses? The cast of The O.C.?
Posted by: V the K at June 17, 2005 9:23 AM
Ok, Ok, they are not Hitler, we get it. Too bad you folks don't put this much energy into real issues, like admitting what this administration is doing is not working. At least the approval numbers are dropping quickly, which means people are finally paying attention to what the leaders DO, not just what they say; two totally different things. A 30 million dollar face lift(that esentially goes in your pocket) won't fix everything, Dick.
Posted by: Rob B. at June 17, 2005 10:37 AM
Absurd as the whole Gitmo canard may be, it is a very real issue because the Left is using it to propagandize on behalf of al Qaeda and obstruct our effort to prevent future terrorist attacks. If characters like Durbin are able to recast the struggle so that Islamofascist terrorists come off as the innocent victims in the minds of people who are only half paying attention, it will be a major defeat for civilization.
Posted by: Van Helsing at June 17, 2005 12:40 PM
The pictures your showing look to me more like Iraq after one of Saddams punishments. Also, notice how when these looneys say outlandish things, instead of having the balls, opps I mean the dignity to dissagree, they make excuses for them, pretend they are proud of them, or as Bob above did, change the subject to poll numbers or some shit. If dems and reps want to talk about real problems fine, but someones got to stop these loose cannons from shooting off horse shit.
Posted by: Carla at June 17, 2005 12:46 PM
The Dims are right - we are not following international law, and should do so more closely.
Under which law (the Geneva Conventions), those fighting in civilian clothing and not following the rules and customs of war are illegal combatants, who can be shot at spies and/or terrorists.
Air conditioning indeed.
Posted by: Dean Howard at June 17, 2005 12:57 PM
Sorry, make that "as spies." PIMF.
Posted by: Dean Howard at June 17, 2005 12:58 PM
It does no good to disagree, Carla, for the wing nuts are not interested in anything that makes their party culpable. Too bad it takes a statement as erroneous as Durbin's to get you myopians to pay attention. Problem is, you start running defense before you know what the fuck is actually happening in the world. How long are you dopes just going to pretend everything is OK?
Posted by: Rob B. at June 17, 2005 5:59 PM
Meanwhile, as if to prove that Durbin the Turban isn't an aberration, Demo-bats Stage Mock Impeachment
And, of course, Israel-hating conspiracy whackjobs were out in force.
Witness Ray McGovern, a former intelligence analyst, declared that the United States went to war in Iraq for oil, Israel and military bases craved by administration “neocons” so “the United States and Israel could dominate that part of the world.” He said that Israel should not be considered an ally and that Bush was doing the bidding of Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.
Rep. James P. Moran Jr. (D-Va.), who prompted the question by wondering whether the true war motive was Iraq’s threat to Israel, thanked McGovern for his “candid answer.”
It's hard to write this off as the left-wing fringe, considering what was going on at Demo-bat Headquarters.
At Democratic headquarters, where an overflow crowd watched the hearing on television, activists handed out documents repeating two accusations — that an Israeli company had warning of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and that there was an “insider trading scam” on 9/11 — that previously has been used to suggest Israel was behind the attacks. ... Matters were even worse at Democratic headquarters, where the C-SPAN feed ended after just an hour, causing the activists to groan and one to shout “Conspiracy!”
And they have the nerve to call us "wingnuts?"
Posted by: V the K at June 17, 2005 7:27 PM
'Durbin the Turban'
Posted by: Tran Sient at June 17, 2005 9:39 PM
In a way though, "wingnut" is kind of a compliment. If you look at a globe, you'll see its the wingnuts that keep the Earth on its axis.
Posted by: V the K at June 17, 2005 10:13 PM
"Ok, Ok, they are not Hitler, we get it. Too bad you folks don't put this much energy into real issues, like admitting what this administration is doing is not working."
Indi says, Ok, ok, what the administration is doing isn't working.
Break out the nukes, boys and girls!
Posted by: Indigo Red at June 17, 2005 11:34 PM
As Rob B. points out, everything in the world is NOT O.K.
But the problem is that when the meanings of things as horrific and evil as tne Nazis, Gulags and Pol Pot can be twisted for a political purpose that has no foundation in any reality then we wind up not able to make the rational and moral distinctions necessary to handle real problems.
This Orwellian socialist tactic of "mixing lies with truth" has a long and sorry history (Google Search: http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-31,GGLD:en&q=%22mixing+lies+with+truth%22)
It brings confusion where clarity is needed.
I found a great article on moral relevancy and some other fine commentary on this issue:
Posted by: Mike on Hilton Head Island at June 17, 2005 11:59 PM
Wingnuts are really easy to spin with little effort.
Indi: Why, then do so many feel the need to cover-up, divert, lie, or minimize what is going on since Dubya took the wheel?
Posted by: Rob B. at June 18, 2005 12:40 AM
It is all the emotional ponzi scheme the left is running. The scheme is perpetuated with a continual drumming up of charges designed to play on emotions. The Koran abuse stories, as well as this one are designed to do nothing more than try to reflect badly on President Bush. The left's hate for the President was drummed up the same way, playing on the left's emotions. To keep the momentum going it will be a constant barrage of stories like this for the forseeable future. The left's defense to this so called incident is what it was since Bush first took office. You know the sound bites, "lies" "corruption" "cover-up." The accomplishments and progress of "The War on Terror" will not not be recognized by the left, only trumped up charges by them and the MSM will be thier benchmarks. Think about it, the defining thoughts of the war on terror for them is a few incidents concerning captured terrorists, not the 3,000 americans killed, the countries liberated and on the road to free elections, and the absence to this point of terrorist attacks in the US.
Posted by: Eneils Bailey at June 18, 2005 6:44 AM
You nailed it, Eneils. The entire M.O. of the left and the MSM (but I repeat myself) is to go eggroll with every story that makes the U.S. look bad, bury the good work our soldiers are doing, and never, ever use the words "terrorist" or "enemy" to describe the people who want to kill Americans, just as they will never use the word "victory" to describe our soldiers' accomplishments.
The U.S's greatest defeat was Vietnam, which the left/MSM regards as their greatest victory. American defeat = Left/MSM victory. It's as simple as that. Maybe it gives journalists a power trip to believe that they are more powerful than the president and the armed forces. And if a few million people die in the subsequent genocide (a la Pol Pot), who cares. It's not like any of those dead Cambodians were going to invite them to a swinging Manhattan cocktail party.
Posted by: V the K at June 18, 2005 7:39 AM
And don't forget the lastest tatic that the left is employing more frequently these days. Make an absurb charge against the Bush administration, when the people in the administration won't react to the charge, and rightly so, the left claims the charge to be true, because no one refuted thier charges. If the left thinks that these charges will have a long term impact on Bush's poll numbers, they are mistaken. It may be a factor in weakening his numbers temporarily, but not long term. I am a staunch Conservative and have problems with Bush on several issues, but not the War on Terror.
Posted by: Eneils Bailey at June 18, 2005 10:09 AM
The "war on terror" is equally as promising as any of the other "war on ..." the republicans have engineered. We invaded a country that had no direct connection to the attack on us, and now you like to trot out the "democracy" that is being forced upon them. It might work a little, until the time comes when we leave Iraq. Then what? We never leave? Up next; Iran, Syria, ad infinitum.
This has been a good profiteering grab for Cheney and friends at Halliburton, at the expense of "supporting the troops".
The Bush administraton won't react because they are already buried in lies. The poll numbers are indicating that people are finally waking up to see reality.
Posted by: Rob B. at June 18, 2005 10:25 AM
Another point the left fails to recognize, is that the "War on Terror" did not simply start with OBL planning and carrying out the attacks of 9/11. If we would have killed every terrorist associated with the 9/11 attacks and freed Afganistan on 9/12/01, the War on Terror would not have ended and it would not have substanially lessen our danger of another attack from other terrorist(furture detainees). In the broader sense, the entire Mideast region had to be cleaned up, it is a cesspool of anti-american terrorist. From a Geo-political point of view, look at what has happened already. Kadafi swore off nuclear weapons, Lebanon is holding elections after Syria pulls out, Afganistan is progressing as well as can be expected, Pakistan is is marginally helping in certain aspects with the War on Terror, And Iran still has some rumbling of wanting to rid themselves of an Islamic Theocracy.
I think it not to be a bad scorecard when it comes to protecting the Good Ole USA. Rob, could you give me more sound bites, I have forgotten a lot of the lefty talking points.
Posted by: Eneils Bailey at June 18, 2005 11:20 AM
Everytime the Bush administration has to respond to these baseless and wild accusations, they lose time better spent defending the United States and helping its citizens.
So these prophets of the 'America is evil' theology are interfering with 'providing for the common defense' while 'providing aid and comfort to the enemy.'
So to quote Pogo, "We have met the enemy and he is us." Lets roll.
Posted by: Anna at June 18, 2005 11:42 AM
There is no more spinning, lying, diverting, and cover-ups in this administration than any other administration. It just happens that I agree with this administration and am willing to put up with it. The Dems were willing to put-up with 8 years of Clinton because they agreed with that administration.
That's life. So what? Get over it. Better liuck next time.
It's easier to take anti arguements seriously if a specific point is chosen and stay with that instead of broadbrushing the entire administration and party.
Posted by: Indigo Red at June 18, 2005 6:50 PM